但問題是，克萊斯勒欠工會退休金是事實，他們欠基金現金也是事實，可是就像拙拙所說，工會為什麼比基金優先？另外，這些債權不是基金經理自己的錢，而是他們千千萬萬的基金投資人辛苦賺來的血汗錢，因為這些基金，大多就是包含在辛苦工作的你我存下來的退休計畫裡。這些經理的工作就是要為投資人追求利益，不然起碼也要有保護投資人的責任，因此他們不可能隨便同意這樣的打三三折條件。除非他們能夠有辦法對基金投資人說，“我們很同情工會，所以決定犧牲你們“。
因此，現在這些基金經理將藉由法律途徑解決這個問題。他們聘請的律師Thomas Lauria昨天上電視訪問時說，這些避險基金曾與政府接觸，試圖找到可以接受的安排，可是一點都沒有交涉到，他們是到政府直接宣佈結果之後才收到通知。他還提到，他看到的事實是政府把克萊斯勒變成送錢給工會的機構，十億進去，十億出去。他認為這種做法違反美國憲法和合約法。
各位可以自己研究看看Lauria說的有沒有道理。以下是美國憲法第五修正案：個人在民事與刑事案件上之權利（1791.12.15生效）－－－非經大陪審團提起公訴，人民不受死罪或其他不名譽罪之審判，但戰時或國難時期服現役之陸海軍或國民兵所發生之案件，不在此限。同一罪案，不得令其受兩次生命或身體上之危險。不得強迫刑事罪犯自證其罪，亦不得未經正當法律手續剝奪其生命、自由或財產。非有公正賠償，不得將私產收為公用。
Lauria專訪影片：
參考資料：
Chrysler won't repay bailout money
Workers Win and Lose in Chrysler Retooling
Obama Points to New Villain in Chrysler Bankruptcy: Hedge Funds
"Gangster Government" An Interview with Tom Lauria
美利堅合眾國憲法
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4樓. Piggle2009/05/14 08:42Facism
Hi Martin,
Facism? Let's hope not. The Wiki definition you provided accurately describes the early days of the Obama administration. I hope that's not the path we're on.
Mike
I've been trying not to think that way but it's getting harder. This looks more and more like dictatorship, pretty scary. Today Obama announced health insurance "reform", which was immediatedly guaranteed by Pelosi. He even gets to decide how much Chrysler should spend on advertising. That's combination between government and major company--- that fits definition of Corporatism by Musollini. Musollini also said he wants to protect middle class, that probably sounds familiar to you too.
Unfortunately the opposition is totally weak and there is no sign of recover. Today I heard the Republicans are going to win the next election by rebranding democrats as "Democratic Socialist Party". Real pathetic.
阿卡迪亞斯基 於 2009/05/14 11:46回覆-
3樓. Piggle2009/05/11 00:13GM and Chrysler
Hi Martin,
This is Mike, Piggle's husband.
I am still working the monthly research project on the automotive industry and the news is grim. Yes---the unions will get equity to fund their legacy costs, but that is based on GM stock increasing. GM will shut down 13 of its factories this summer despite any bailout agreement. Regardless of what happens there will be massive layoffs shortly. For every worker that gets laid off at GM, ten will be laid off at support industries like car dealers and parts manufacturers.
GM and Chrysler must adjust to demand and there is little demand for their products. In the last previous 5 years or more consumers were using home equity to buy cars. That's all gone now. Americans are not in a buyng mood and we will continue to see a bad economy in this country. Some experts still predict a total collapse helped out by the Obama policies. Consumers have no more home equity to buy furniture, remodelliong or any of the other big ticket items that keep the economy moving. The Obama administration apparently hasn't figured that out yet.
Giving unions control of managing GM and Chrysler will detsroy them. We can look for the three dominant manufacturers to be Ford, Toyota and VW. If the government had not bailed out these companies they would possibly be through the worst of this situatuion and the American economy would be on its way to recovery.
Mike
Hi Mike- It's always good to see you here., and thanks for the nice information.
I don't worry about great layoff from GM/Chrysler bankrupt, because I believe car market is always there. If people don't have GM/Chrysler cars to buy, they will buy other brands. And those auto workers, car dealers, and manufacturers can possibly find other jobs somewhere else. Have to let the market place people.
You mention economy will recover if government does not bail out, that I agree. So why government still bailed them out? Is the government really that stupid, or they are not interested in recovering economics at all? I found this paragraph in fascism wiki page: fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and communism. Fascists declared their opposition to finance capitalism, interest charging, and profiteering... considered finance capitalism a "parasitic" "Jewish conspiracy". Fascist governments nationalized some key industries, managed their currencies and made some massive state investments..
Although some of those are happening right in front of our eyes, I hope I am connecting wrong dots- Hope it's not a fascism agenda.
Your friend- 阿卡迪亞
阿卡迪亞斯基 於 2009/05/13 12:05回覆 
2樓. 阿卡迪亞斯基2009/05/10 13:57最新發展
二十一世紀新辭典：
自私自利：替投資人爭取應有的權利
貪婪：努力工作賺錢
最新新聞：放棄異議的這批債主總共持有10億美元債券，他們本擬抗爭到底，但總統公開撻伐他們自私自利，而且法院日前裁定他們必須披露身分之後，他們變成眾矢之的，已有一半以上債主表示退出抗爭
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1樓. Piggle2009/05/09 21:36工會是個又老又臭的醬缸
美國車廠深受其害﹐卻不得脫身
現在工會得政府加持﹐美國汽車前景坎坷日本駐美國的車廠深知其害﹐決力不與工會掛鉤
日本車公司員工的起薪雖較美國車公司低
但公司給獎勵金﹐整個加起來收入等於﹑或甚至高過美國車公司
美國的車廠必須擺脫公會﹐才能加惠於員工和顧客
日本駐美國汽車公司的成功﹐難道不能成為美國車廠的借鏡﹖
